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Die Sabbati het gekom nou is dit vir die lang wag :P :P

Gaan vir hom n Bushnell DMR 3.5-21X50 MILRAD FFP scope opsit,die Burris XTR II wat ek vir die projek gekoop het ,het nie aan my oe se vereistes voldoen nie .
Die geweer het die "looks "en is goed afgewerk,die slot is effe hakerig maar sal met tyd gladder word ,die magasyn lyk duursaam en pas mooi met die ontsluit knip binne die snellerbeuel .Met die eerste indruk is ek tevrede nou moet ons wag om sy pedigree te bevestig.

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Lyk goed! Seker met al die moeite wat ingegaan het gaan die gewere mooi skiet ook.

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Nice roer DD,
En wats jou plan met die Burris?
Laat weet of hy 'n nuwe huis moet kry...
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Leon Crous wrote:Nice roer DD,
En wats jou plan met die Burris?
Laat weet of hy 'n nuwe huis moet kry...
Groete,
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Daai Burris is n regte travelling Wilbury hy het sommer eietyds verhuis,die nuwe eienaar het my verseker die Burris se rondloper dae is nou verby.

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Congratulations!

Let us now how she shoots.
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Kan die Ql manne vir my kyk vir node asb

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Spoed 3351fps ES 43 SD 14 oor 5 skote
Nuwe magneto speed v3 op my magneto sporter het ek 3400 gekry die eerste keer toe ek die lading geskiet het.
groep op 100m was 23mm.

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DD
vertel meer oor die XTR asb?
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DD...As iemand dalk vir my daai Nosler RDF koeël se bullet file het, kan ek dalk n skoot waag...
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F.L.A.S.H wrote:DD
vertel meer oor die XTR asb?
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Kyk wat gaan 36.9gr maak. Spoed 3433vps en druk by 55K psi.
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tripodmvr wrote:Kyk wat gaan 36.9gr maak. Spoed 3433vps en druk by 55K psi.

Dankie Marius as ek so op die Amerikaanse forums lees dan sukkel die manne om spoed te kry met die RDF koeëls tot 30fps stadiger as ander vergelykbare koeëls ,ek wonder wat die oorsaak hiervan sal wees .

Met die berekening wat jy nou vir my gedoen het is die ontbrandspoed van die kruit na verwagting of moes jy dit aanpas?

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Brandspoed is af met so 1,5%. Niks om oor huis toe te skryf nie.
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Diesel Dog wrote:
F.L.A.S.H wrote:DD
vertel meer oor die XTR asb?
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Jy kan maar pm as jy nie omgee nie
ek is nuuskurig om te weet hoekom jy so se

daar een of 2 van die groot name wat ek self nie me oor die weg kom nie
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Diesel Dog wrote:Die Sabbati het gekom nou is dit vir die lang wag :P :P

Gaan vir hom n Bushnell DMR 3.5-21X50 MILRAD FFP scope opsit,die Burris XTR II wat ek vir die projek gekoop het ,het nie aan my oe se vereistes voldoen nie .
Die geweer het die "looks "en is goed afgewerk,die slot is effe hakerig maar sal met tyd gladder word ,die magasyn lyk duursaam en pas mooi met die ontsluit knip binne die snellerbeuel .Met die eerste indruk is ek tevrede nou moet ons wag om sy pedigree te bevestig.

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tripodmvr wrote:Kyk wat gaan 36.9gr maak. Spoed 3433vps en druk by 55K psi.

Spoed 3435 es 8 sd 4 groep 1" twee sny en een weg .Ek sien nie kans om nog n 22250 loop op te skiet nie so ek gaan maar aan beweeg na ander koeëls toe .Die 70grRDF en die geweer voldoen nie aan my verwagtinge nie .

Ek het nog 77gr cc en 60 gr vmax kan die QL manne vir my se waar die spoed behoort te wees vir die onderskeie koeëls asb.

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You close but not exactly on the node.
37.2 grains for 3460 fps MV @ 55500 psi will put you exactly on node 3.
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If I use the same COL and burn rate for the Viht N550 then 60 grain V max is going to put you in the red with respect to pressure if you try reach Node 2.
Node 3 for the 60 grain Vmax is going to be low pressure and slow by your standards.

Once again using the same COL and burn rate as your RDF bullets, 77 grain CC Node 3 is predicted to be +- 3400 fps @ 60500 psi pressure.

Obviously these are predictions and will not be accurate until we have a calibrated load from you.
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Dale SH wrote:If I use the same COL and burn rate for the Viht N550 then 60 grain V max is going to put you in the red with respect to pressure if you try reach Node 2.
Node 3 for the 60 grain Vmax is going to be low pressure and slow by your standards.

Once again using the same COL and burn rate as your RDF bullets, 77 grain CC Node 3 is predicted to be +- 3400 fps @ 60500 psi pressure.

Obviously these are predictions and will not be accurate until we have a calibrated load from you.


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QL is dependent on the information that it uses to make its calculations. Garbage in garbage out!I seem to be experiencing problems with my magneto speed regarding accurate speed readings .These were the first couple of shots through the rifle measured with Magneto speed sporter.This was a ladder shot at 230m .

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I then loaded the fire formed brass and shot for group at 100m and measured with a new magneto v3
Sabbati 28"
Lapua doppe h2o 45.5gr
70gr RDF TPL 63MM
CCI250
36gr N550
Spoed 3351fps ES 43 SD 14 oor 5 skote

Nuwe magneto speed v3 op my magneto sporter het ek 3400 gekry die eerste keer toe ek die lading geskiet het.
groep op 100m was 23mm.

I then loaded 36.9gr and speed was as predicted

tripodmvr wrote:
Kyk wat gaan 36.9gr maak. Spoed 3433vps en druk by 55K psi.


Spoed 3435 es 8 sd 4 groep 1" twee sny en een weg
This was also measured with the V3

I then loaded 70gr RDF 37.2gr tpl 63 3500fps group 23mm.
70gr Horn HPBT 37.2 gr tpl 61.7 3536 fps group 18mm
77gr cc 36gr tpl61 3358 sd 22 es 40 group 18mm evenly spaced clover
These were measured with Magneto sporter.

I think i must revert to my old method of load development by using commonsense and let the target tel me wat charge to use.

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Kan jy albei die Magnetos op een slag aansit en hulle vergelyk. Voorheen het my berekeninge en jou bevindinge baie goed geklop. Die verhoging van 0,3gr by die 70RDF behoort so 30vps by te voeg en nie 70vps nie.
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tripodmvr wrote:Kan jy albei die Magnetos op een slag aansit en hulle vergelyk. Voorheen het my berekeninge en jou bevindinge baie goed geklop. Die verhoging van 0,3gr by die 70RDF behoort so 30vps by te voeg en nie 70vps nie.
Marius dit is juis my probleem met QL as ek die selde komponente gebruik en jy kalibreer die data en gee n aanbeveling dan klop ons somme redelik goed .Maar as van die data onbetroubaar is dan val die stelsel plat .Waar QL wel van onskatbare waarde is met die voorspelling van gevaarlike druk (commonsense)al gebruik mens net die verstek waardes.

Op n ligter noot , nee ek kan nie die magnetos op een slag aansit nie,dit is nie n dubbel loop nie maar ek gaan probeer om hulle na mekaar te toets :laugh: :laugh:

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If I understand your readings correctly then it looks like you have a 40 - 50 fps MV variance between the two magneto's.
This will of course mess us around in terms of trying to predict an accurate node.
As you correctly state: incorrect information in = incorrect information out.
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Diesel Dog wrote:
tripodmvr wrote:Kan jy albei die Magnetos op een slag aansit en hulle vergelyk. Voorheen het my berekeninge en jou bevindinge baie goed geklop. Die verhoging van 0,3gr by die 70RDF behoort so 30vps by te voeg en nie 70vps nie.
Marius dit is juis my probleem met QL as ek die selde komponente gebruik en jy kalibreer die data en gee n aanbeveling dan klop ons somme redelik goed .Maar as van die data onbetroubaar is dan val die stelsel plat .Waar QL wel van onskatbare waarde is met die voorspelling van gevaarlike druk (commonsense)al gebruik mens net die verstek waardes.

Op n ligter noot , nee ek kan nie die magnetos op een slag aansit nie,dit is nie n dubbel loop nie maar ek gaan probeer om hulle na mekaar te toets Image Image

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Dale SH wrote:If I understand your readings correctly then it looks like you have a 40 - 50 fps MV variance between the two magneto's.
This will of course mess us around in terms of trying to predict an accurate node.
As you correctly state: incorrect information in = incorrect information out.
Magnetospeed aside, how accurate are the other makes, if 40-50 fps has such an influence on a node, let alone ES, how accurately are these nodes being determined, its all very confusing

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