What call to buy?

[Martin82]

Afternoon All
We go hunt in Jansenville every year and the farmer was telling us the problems he has with jackal. He has a youngster that comes to shoot them but he's fine with anyone shooting them as he has prize Angoras on the farm. He says for every jackal we shoot we get a free kudu. So I was wanting to maybe take a cd with and maybe play a few call at night. I see there are cd's for sale on the forum but which would be best for that area? I'm not clued up on this at all.
Thanks for the help
Martin

[Mac]

I have no dog in this fight, but if he has a pro shooting for him, you may get a few jackal, but you, as an admitted novice, are going to cost the farmer many many thousands of rands in the future. If you like him, explain the dynamics to him, and he will probably allow you to shoot for free anyway as it will cost him less. If he is an @rsehole, go ahead and use any call or whistle, they all work if used properly.

If the guy shooting for him is a part timer, explain the advantages of getting in a pro. hopefully you have been on the forum long enough to understand

[Geno]

I'm not clued up on this at all.

I have a bakkie that needs a major service.

Will I use the highschool kid or the qualified technician?

[Freddie101]

Martin
It is obvious that this farmer is not educated as to calling and shooting at night.

I am also a farmer.The advice Mac gave you is good.

By all means if you shoot them in the day while hunting go ahead and collect your free kudu, but it is best if he asks a pro in the area to shoot them at night.

[johans]

los eerder

[Martin82]

He has a pro that shoots for him, but I thought we could shoot some at night while we were out.I never said we were going to cure him of him problem. How will I cost the farmer money? I'm not sure how it works. Maybe someone could explain how it would work.
I was not asking to sleep with his wife, just maybe shoot a jackal. I'm no hero or pro.
It would be nice for someone to explain not just go off on a rant...

[henning]

He has a pro that shoots for him, but I thought we could shoot some at night while we were out.I never said we were going to cure him of him problem. How will I cost the farmer money? I'm not sure how it works. Maybe someone could explain how it would work.
I was not asking to sleep with his wife, just maybe shoot a jackal. I'm no hero or pro.
It would be nice for someone to explain not just go off on a rant...

Martin, I am by no means the expert here but they seem to be very slow to explain to you.
Every mistake you make in the field without the knowledge how to approach a Jaracal problem will only make the animals clever and so much more difficult to hunt, with the result that the longer it take you to hunt a clever animal, the more damage the farmer will suffer in stock loss. All of this could be avoided if the animal was approached in the correct manner in the first place and end the farmers problem instead of prolonging the problem.
If you accidently bump into the animal and shoot it, it is acceptable, but if you use an caller and use the wrong tactics the animal will learn to avoid you. In other words it would be irresponsible and selfish of you to start calling animals if you do not know what you are doing.

Regards
Henning

[Wayne]

Rather contact the Pro and go out with him. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone, learn while you hunt, without upsetting Farmer or Hunter.
If you had to come into my area and interfere with my clients, I would be p....d off. and the next time the farmer phoned me for help, he would pay big time, rather be safe, shooting vlekkie is not as easy as some make it out to be, it does strange things to you at important times.

[Martin82]

Henning and Wayne....thanks for explaining it to me. That's what I was looking for. So now I'm a little more experienced on what to do. I was not aware how smart those little shits are. So what I'll do is get the farmer to contact the pro and he can come out with us and show us how it's done. I was just looking forward to experiencing it as I read about it all the time on the forum.
Hopefully I can post a pic soon of my first jackal.
Henning and Wayne....seeing that you guys were so nice and patient explaining it to me, I'll embroider you guys a cap each and post it off. I like doing nice things for people too. Let me know what you want on your caps and I'll get it sent to you guys. I can embroider anything you want, no charge

[Mac]

Martin,

Not sure my answer to you should be classed as a rant, but I notice you have been a member since 2012, two years and some months. I am also aware that the members are not all into jackal hunting. That said, I just presumed that you at least followed or occasionally read the PAC threads, my apologies if I am wrong.

The art of eliminating jackal by calling and shooting takes a thorough knowledge of their breeding cycle, life cycle, habits and territories. You may be successful in your quest while using the wrong calls at the wrong time of year, and you probably will be successful using food calls, but your more cautious older jackals, or maybe one that has had some experience with calls and lights, will need to be handled differently. Once a jackal has made the association between the calls, vehicle, light and scent, it takes a really special person to get that jackal killed, and even real pro's can take years to kill such jackals. It's offspring do not as such get taught by the parents, but learn by association, thus compounding the problem.

Let us err on the side of caution here, and assume that that "clever", I prefer the word habituated, jackal takes only 1 ewe, kid, or lamb per week, that is 52 animals lost, without the wool / mohair (+/_ R175 per animal) take half (26) at sale price, that is R19 500 for them. Add 26 breeding animals and give them a progeny lifespan of say 3.5 (usually closer to 6) that is 26 animals times 3,5 gives us 91, plus the 26 dams is 117 animals at a fairly low cost of R750 gives us a potential loss of R87 750, add the male animal cost of R19 500 gives a potential loss to the farmer of R107 250 PER habituated jackal, multiply that by every jackal that associates the call, bakkie and light with danger, and that you don't manage to kill, that you will in all probability, and unknowingly, will reconfirm his association to the danger, and you can do the math yourself.

I farm 100Km from Jansenville, and I have been successfully hunting and trapping jackal for many years, I have a jackal bitch that I have been trying to kill for pretty nearly 3 years now, and though it might not sound like it to you, I have a pretty good idea of what I am doing as many farmers in this area can attest to.

Send me a PM or e Mail with your number if anything is unclear to you, and I can possibly answer your questions, or put you on to some one else who can.

Keep well.

Mac

[Wayne]

Martin, thanks for the offer, I will pm you.

[Martin82]

Martin, thanks for the offer, I will pm you.

perfect

[Martin82]

Mac...thanks for the post. I try to follow the threads on the site but my Afrikaans cant keep up with the bigger words.
I totally understand what you saying.
I will get in contact with the pro and let him take me out.
Have a good day

[Martin82]

Wayne... Cap is ready, will be sent off on Monday

[ANDRIES]

Wat 'n mooi gebaar!!

[G-force]

Looks like a neat job there,well done.

[Wayne]

Thanks Martin, looks great.