Pasiewe Vang kraal

[Evert]

Goeie dag

Ek het onlangs 25 Takbokke aangekoop naby Belfast, ek wil volgende jaar n paar vang en verkoop.
Het enige iemand vir my planne van n pasiewe vang kraal by die voer of by die water?

Groete
Evert

[Stefan764]

Ek luister saam. Wil dieselfde doen....

[tau]

Mag julle nog takbokke skuif? Hier in die Wes-Kapp mag ons nie meer nie.

[Allure]

Eet Takbokke voer?
Voer en water is al manier jy bokke pasief vang
As hulle nie voer vat gaan julle nie hulle vang.

[kopskoot]

span jou vang kraal om 'n watergat/krip,met 'n springloaded hek, wat jy kan trigger met 'n tou.

Maak die ander waterpunte/krippe se toevoer toe, en wag. Hulle sal kom drink

[henried]

Ek het hulle loesern en heel mielies gegee, hulle het mooi in gekom. Ek het 'n feeder gebruik om 2 keer 'n dag mielies te strooi.

[Evert]

Hulle vreet elke dag Lusern pille by die watergat.
Dis nie n groot kamp nie +-25ha met 1 watergat en voer ook net op 1 plek.

My plan was om 4 pale te plant 20m van mekaar in n 4 kant.
Dan gordyne van Skadunet op te sit. Elke week 1 kant toe trek laat hulle gewoond raak en soos Ronald gese het n hek in sit wat Spring loaded is.
Sal 80% Skdunet werk? of moet ek kyk na Hesian? Of ander material?

[Stefan764]

span jou vang kraal om 'n watergat/krip,met 'n springloaded hek, wat jy kan trigger met 'n tou.

Maak die ander waterpunte/krippe se toevoer toe, en wag. Hulle sal kom drink

Rooibokke.... Hulle gan spring en ek wil nie lat seermaak nie...

Het gedink aan n tipe "gordyn sisteem" wat in n vierkant gespan word (sowat 2m hoog) en dan met n trigger release val tot op grond. Gewig aan onderkant van godryn verseker vinnige val-aksie en hou ook gordyn in plek.

Sie problem by ons is water in die veld, nie net een drinkplek. Dis net 25ha maar daar loop n konstante stroompie deur ons kamp in die somer. Hulle vreet wel by die voerplek lusern en klipsout.

[Geno]

Stefaans,
Daai rooibokke gaan hulself kas toe spring teen die seile ou maat...

[Stefan764]

Dis waarvoor ek skrikkerig is....

Ding is ons het 2x mooi split rammetjies wat van vlge seisoen af moet uit. en dart is te duur man.

So dan is dit seker maar .22 Hornet vir hulle?

Maar ek hijack nou hin takbok post. Jammer. So plan van seile sal seker werk vir n takbok? Of hoe?

[kopskoot]

Ek het in Namibia gesien hoe n oom Koedoes by n windpomp so pasief vang. Julle wil over engineer met julle opspring seile en dinge. Bou n boma met pale en latte wat uit die kampie uit loop, ook met n springloaded hek. Sodra die bokke in die eerste kampie toe is, sal hulle lusen in die boma loop vreet. Maak dan daai hek agter hulle toe, gee hulle stresnil of iets soortgelyks en laai hulle in die trailor. Whallaa!

[tau]

Ek het in Namibia gesien hoe n oom Koedoes by n windpomp so pasief vang. Julle wil over engineer met julle opspring seile en dinge. Bou n boma met pale en latte wat uit die kampie uit loop, ook met n springloaded hek. Sodra die bokke in die eerste kampie toe is, sal hulle lusen in die boma loop vreet. Maak dan daai hek agter hulle toe, gee hulle stresnil of iets soortgelyks en laai hulle in die trailor. Whallaa!

Hier is 'n lid op die forum Gys Jacobs vanaf Otavi waar ek vanjaar gejag het wat so kraal gebou het om sy Windpomp.

[Stefan764]

Ek het in Namibia gesien hoe n oom Koedoes by n windpomp so pasief vang. Julle wil over engineer met julle opspring seile en dinge. Bou n boma met pale en latte wat uit die kampie uit loop, ook met n springloaded hek. Sodra die bokke in die eerste kampie toe is, sal hulle lusen in die boma loop vreet. Maak dan daai hek agter hulle toe, gee hulle stresnil of iets soortgelyks en laai hulle in die trailor. Whallaa!

Ronald

Al hoekom ek die seile wil doen is die volgende rede: Die oomblik as die een of twee bokke gedart is wat jy wil vang, kan die hele kamp "platval" en die bokke kan op die vinnigste moontlike manier uit, vir die minste moontlike strestyd...

Of dink julle die hek wat weer oop sal voldoende wees?

[Allure]

There are many things to take into consideration with a Passive capture unit. Sorry I am going to Chip in here as these units can be very dangerous in the hands of inexperienced or uninformed people - I personally have had a near miss with a Young Nyala bull(which happen to be the most dangerous when they just turn black and when they have 4' horns or longer one must be very wary as not only do they kill other animals but they are a serious health risk to 2 legged bi-peds in a confined area.)

Firstly try and stay away from a kraal that has 90 deg Corners and try and build a boma is circular ( an animal will run to a corner and this is where it will try and jump - if you catch buff passively they stick there butt in the corner and put the business end on the open side and the is no way they will budge from the corner) by not having corners you keep the animals moving. Circles are a bastard to build so rather try and build a Pentagon (this has 45deg corners).
Another critical factor is that you need to build the boma big enough that it is out of the flight zone - this is dependant on animals, how tame they are, what mood they are in and can vary from day to day. A safe size is 30m diameter if it is animals like Nyala you can work on a 10m dia but give them more space -remeber when it comes to darting max range is about 40m so donot go bigger than this.
In terms of a gate I have tried swing, Slide and fall gates and the best by far is a fall gate -I use a 5m sail gate with a heavy pole sewn into the bottom - releases are easy and there are many 12v advantages with regards to building a release and these can be built in using gate/remotes/sms recievers etc. I have had problems with slide gates slamming shut on Black Impala (let us just say "OUCH")

[Allure]

I have a Permanent Boma and I catch all my nyala, Impala, Springbuck and any other animal.
Making use of Valium powder in the feed helps them to be more calm and jump less. I have no issues and remove all my split rams using my boma. My permanent Boma has gumpole sides no conveyor and holding pens on the side to split animals once they have been capture along too with a loading ramp.
Passive capture is a thing of patience and by putting workers on to close the gate they either spend their time on their cell phones or they sleep - I have now a sophisticated Camera and remote release in my boma that I can log in through my cell phone and see what is in the boam and close it accordingly.

[Stefan764]

Baie dankie vir die goeie raad. Verander dadelik my planne na n sirkelvormige kraal...

[Allure]

Catching Split rams is easy as when they reach a certain age the ram will split them from the group of his own accord and they will come to the boma on their own and so it is easy to catch them I then move them into the boma gang and at night with the use of a headlamp I grab them (you get kicked a few times but you learn how to manage them) I tag them and then chuck them on the groot plaas.
Nyala's are easy and I would imagine Takbokke are just as easy.
I have all the boma's from the Drop sides, Opskiet and gated boma's most of my units are mobile and I hire them out - but it takes weeks - I suggest if you have the resources build a permananet structure using Gumpoles, Bonnox fencing and 90% shade cloth, build a loading ramp and holding pens it works especially in small camps where choppers are a no go.
I have 87 animals (Springbuck, Impala) in 14ha and I manage them all using only my 1 x central passive BOMA -no choppers and only vets for the Black impala.
Having your animals on loose feed - Gemaalde luscern will help with the administration of valium powder when you want to catch - is is a safe drug that encourages appetite and works really well on calming the animals down.

[Allure]

I will take some pics of my Boma and try and load it up so you can see. The wind snapped one of my 110mm Gumpoles lastnight (60km/h winds in Thaba) so I currently have a door and a Wall down but this does not phase the animals and they just walk over the door.

[Evert]

Ryan , great posts, thank you

Gaan verseker weer kyk hoe ek my vang kraal gaan doen, die pentagon idee klink vir my net reg

[Allure]

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[Allure]

Steel poles are planted 5m apart.
110mm x 5m horizontal poles x 2
50-75mm gumpoles tied to the Horizontal poles and placed on lintels to keep them off the ground.
Holding pens are 6m x 4m
Gang is 1.5m wide
Poles are 3 m tall.
You will see gang is not linear there are turns - this keeps the animals moving if they can see down a long gang they will not move down the gang easily - by limiting their forward vision you can get them to move easier.
I use sliding doors but in future projects I will keep the sliding door but have a fall sail and just close the sliding door once animals are caught.
I personally don't like boring gumpoles with a drill and using threadbar it weakens the integrity of the pole.
This is a costly exercise but it is built for life and if need be I can break it down and move it with ease.

[Allure]

As I stated previously try and keep you dia @ 30m mine is 20 and it is a bit tight..

[Allure]

My grond is innie mark terwyl Ek het hom nog julle is meer as welkom .om te kom kyk na my boma setup - Thabazimbi

[Vasvat]

Allure
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Willie