Which predator call CD?

[Dimitri]

Hi guys

A friend of mine has been asked to help out with a "jackal and caracal" problem on a farm just outside Randfontein.

He has an electronic caller (I don't know which one).

I also offer the following information in case it helps:

- He is a beginner with no calling experience
- The jackals/caracal have been shot at there opportunistically while the farmer and/or his friends have been driving around. From what I understand no calling has taken place on that farm before
- They are likely to go out calling in the late afternoon and early evening. Knowing my friend, it is unlikely that they will do calling late into the night
- There are cattle, sheep, duiker, steenbok, springbok, warthog, impala and blesbok on the farm. There are plenty gamebirds but hares are scarce.
- Apparently the damage is mainly to sheep and to springbok, impala and blesbok lambs.
- Terrain is mixed. Crops, wetlands, mountains and some natural bush.

What CD would you guys recommend?

[tripodmvr]

I would recommend a seasoned jackal hunter to help initially.

[Dimitri]

Tripod, I agree with you. The guys are likely to educate the predators if they make mistakes which will make things more difficult.

However, it's up to the farmer to make that call on his farm. It sounds like the farmer will go along with my friend and so they will do the calling together partly for the experience and partly to try and take off some predators. I don't know how bad the "problem" is but I think the worse the problem is the more likely the farmer will consider calling in the professionals.

[Geno]

Step 1 - Buy some CDs from Geno. Go out and have fun calling and shooting jackal.

Step 2 - Contact Geno to go and kill all the educated jackal on the property.

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[Capt. Yoda]

[Aceofspades]

Step 1 - Buy some CDs from Geno. Go out and have fun calling and shooting jackal.

Step 2 - Contact Geno to go and kill all the educated jackal on the property.

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Net vir interesantheid, wat is die tydverloop om van stap 1 na stap 2 te vorder?

Kriek

[THOMAST]

Een mis skoot..

[Dimitri]

Step 1 - Buy some CDs from Geno. Go out and have fun calling and shooting jackal.

Step 2 - Contact Geno to go and kill all the educated jackal on the property.

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Thanks Geno. I will give him your number so that he can contact you and you can kit him out with CDs for step 1.

[Frederik]

Wat Geno noem, goedkoop koop is duur koop, behalwe vir Black Moose scopes

[BeesBreet]

Dimitri, any cd will work. Knowing how to use the calls will be the trick.

Geno is joking around now but I recommend giving him a call not only because he can sell you any cd you’d like, but he will also give advice as in do’s and don’t s.

We all started somewhere so I say they must go for it.

[Danie01]

Dimitri, any cd will work. Knowing how to use the calls will be the trick.

Geno is joking around now but I recommend giving him a call not only because he can sell you any cd you’d like, but he will also give advice as in do’s and don’t s.

We all started somewhere so I say they must go for it.

Ek sal ook sê hulle moet die regte gereedskap kry en self probeer, maar hulle moet dam eers bietjie navorsing doen, saam kenners jag en n kursus loop sodat hulle goed ingelig is oor die moets en moenies, anders gaan daar n paar jakkalse goed geleer word en hulle gaan vir Geno bel.

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[Capt. Yoda]

Ek vind die trick is om plastiek glase te gebruik pleks van stainles as jy agter op die bakkie is, daai ys wat teen die stainles glas val laat n jak vinnig om draai

[jankraay]

Ek vind die trick is om plastiek glase te gebruik pleks van stainles as jy agter op die bakkie is, daai ys wat teen die stainles glas val laat n jak vinnig om draai

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[Dimitri]

Dimitri, any cd will work. Knowing how to use the calls will be the trick.

Geno is joking around now but I recommend giving him a call not only because he can sell you any cd you’d like, but he will also give advice as in do’s and don’t s.

We all started somewhere so I say they must go for it.

I've given my friend Geno's number. If he calls, I hope he asks some questions and gets some advice.

Most (but not all) farmers I know want you to shoot jackals because they "cause damage". I think the greater the damage that the farmer suffers from predators the more likely it is that he will contact a professional to come and do the job. If he suffers relatively little damage (but damage none-the-less) he may simply asks his friends that come and hunt there if they can try to shoot some predators because they are becoming a problem.

Doing it professionally will obviously yield the best results. If my friend does the course and gets all the equipment then he is also likely to get good results. But a complete novice with just a CritR call or an electronic caller and CD can still have fun trying and might even get to shoot one or two jackals. If he enjoys it he might want to do it again once in a while. Or he may then go and do the course and invest in getting all the necessary equipment. That is where my friend is at. Novice doing it for fun/experience at the request of a farmer friend. I'm sure that if Geno or anyone else recommends a good CD then my friend might be able to have an exciting afternoon/night out and possibly call in a jackal or two.

[Dimitri]

Ek vind die trick is om plastiek glase te gebruik pleks van stainles as jy agter op die bakkie is, daai ys wat teen die stainles glas val laat n jak vinnig om draai

To be safe I will tell him not to use ice at all. It's not worth the risk.

[Malan123]

As long as your friend and the farmer knows how expensive that "fun" will eventually become.

I agree everyone needs to start somewhere. In my opinion that somewhere is with a proffessional as it is not about "fun" in the end.

[Gawie(13mm)]

Dimitri, ek gaan nou duiwels advokaat speel en 'n olifant in die bos gooi tussen die leeus.

Jou uitkyk mbt tot etiese jag was nog nooit vir my 'n steen des aanstoots nie, maar waarmee jy nou hier besig is, skree teen hemele. Jy wil 'n onopgeleide soldaat oorlog toe stuur met die minimum opleiding en net die basiese toerusting om teen 'n uitgeslape vyand te baklei wat reuse skade kan aanrig.
Die feit dat jy dit dit eens oorweeg is vir my 'n bewys dat jy al die tyd net op Jaracal rondhang om jou eie agenda te bevorder en nog nooit die moeite gedoen het om op te lees oor dit waarvoor Jaracal oorspronklik begin is nie.
Indien my skrywe kras voorkom, kan ek jou verseker dat dit wel die geval is. Tensy iemand anders die plasing onder jou profiel gedoen het, moes jy wragtag 'n breinfloute ervaar het.

[Dimitri]

What's really bugging you, Gawie?

Surely not that someone is going to try to call in some jackals and wants to buy some additional calls?

There must be something else that is burning and bugging the entire 13 millimetres?

[Gawie(13mm)]

Hi guys

A friend of mine has been asked to help out with a "jackal and caracal" problem on a farm just outside Randfontein.

He has an electronic caller (I don't know which one).

I also offer the following information in case it helps:

- He is a beginner with no calling experience
- The jackals/caracal have been shot at there opportunistically while the farmer and/or his friends have been driving around. From what I understand no calling has taken place on that farm before
- They are likely to go out calling in the late afternoon and early evening. Knowing my friend, it is unlikely that they will do calling late into the night
- There are cattle, sheep, duiker, steenbok, springbok, warthog, impala and blesbok on the farm. There are plenty gamebirds but hares are scarce.
- Apparently the damage is mainly to sheep and to springbok, impala and blesbok lambs.
- Terrain is mixed. Crops, wetlands, mountains and some natural bush.

What CD would you guys recommend?

[Gawie(13mm)]

Die feit dat jy 'n persoon met min of geen kennis wat Jakkals jag aanbetref, van die wal af in die sloot wil help.

Indien jou OP gevra het vir hulp aan 'n leerling jakkalsjagter, sou ek hande geklap het en gesê het: "Doen so voort!"
Jou invalshoek is egter dat jou "vriend" onopgelei is met die bassiese toerustig en siende dat dit jakkalse is wat nou nie eintlik regtig iemand pla nie, dit in die haak is om sommer maar net mogge-troffe aan te karring.
Dit strook nie vir my met al jou vorige skrywes tov die behoud van die natuur en die liefde daarvoor wat ons by ander moet kweek nie.
Dit is hoe ek jou opgesom het met al jou skrywes, veral mbt die skiet en jag van leeus. ( Ek respekteer nog altyd jou siening en sien in wese jou uitgangs punt. Elke man is geregtig op sy opinie.)
So, met al 13mm, vra ek jou mooi om tog te besin oor jou hulp aan jou vriend.
Vra jouself:"What would Dimitri do?"

[Dimitri]

Last year I decided to see whether I could successfully bait bushpig. I was/am a complete novice when it comes to baiting bushpigs. So, I came here to Jaracal and asked for advice about where I could buy a 25kg bag of mealies around JHB. I bought the mealies, made the bait, did a bit of reading up, got some more advice and made some plans with farmer. The pigs came in on night 1 and ate all the bait after we had left the blind. Then they did not return again for the rest of our stay. The pigs probably became aware of us on night 2 which is why they did not return. Perhaps you could say that we "educated" those pigs to some extent? I was thankful for the advice I got, I knew the odds and I did not feel pushed into a sloot.

Is my friend's jackal scenario not similar to the above in many respects? The target animals in each case are "problem causing" animals. The prospective shooters in each case are experienced hunters and decent marksmen but are both novices when it comes to baiting pigs and calling jackal respectively. Both had decided that they were going to try their respective activities out. (Note: I did not propose or encourage that my friend should try to call in jackals. He and his farmer friend decided on their own they were going to do it and my friend asked if I knew where he could get local predator calls. That is when I came to Jaracal - just like I did when I decided to bait the pigs.

Does my friend not have the right to try calling in jackals as a novice? Does everyone have to have done a course before they are allowed to call for jackals?

This might make you happy: I was speaking to him last night and I told him that calling is not simply about playing the sounds on his caller and that there is a lot to consider i.t.o. technique, equipment and educating the jackals. I told him that, if he phones Geno for the calls, he should ask for some practical advice as well. His response was that he would not mind going out with a pro like Geno so that he can learn. Let's see what happens there.

Now all I wanted to do was to help get the man some additional local calls. I gave him some advice but he is 50 years old and has his own mind - I cannot force him to phone Geno, or to call the jackals or NOT call the jackals or do a course. It's up to him and I don't think I am helping him into a sloot at all. And I don't see what my personal hunting ethics have to do with what and how people I know hunt or shoot or call.

[Gawie(13mm)]

Dimitri, in my OP het ek genoem dat ek jou siening respekteer. Die aanhef tot my skrywe was juis dat ek "duiwels advokaat" wil speel.
Ek kritiseer jou nie as persoon nie, want ek staan self agter die deur, en het baie respek vur jou, maar ons almal wil graag die regte beeld uitdra om ons geliefde tydverdryf te beskerm en te bevorder.
Indien jou laaste plasing van repliek op my skrywe, jou inleiding was tot jou OP, sou ek nie 'n voet gehad het om op te staan nie.
Jy het gevra wat my werklik kwel en ek het die gedeelte in jou skrywe uitgelig wat my pla.

Jy wil by my weet wat jou vriende se manier van jag met jou etiek uit te waai het?

Die antwoord is eenvoudig; Deur die vraag te vra, verloor jy alle morele hoë-grond in enige van die debatte oor etiese jag praktyke, tensy dit 'n retoriese vraag is.
"I call it, like I see it" en respekteer jou siening, maar verskil met jou, oor jou verantwoordelikheid teenoor jou vriend.

Jy het al hierdie sake in jou laaste plasing aangespreek en enige onduidelikheid uit die weg geruim. Baie dankie daarvoor.

Groetnis,
Gawie.

[Dimitri]

Hi Gawie,

I agree that we all have a responsibility to promote responsible and ethical practices afield. We have control over our own actions when out in the field as well as those of our young children who are directly under our control.

As far as friends and acquaintances go, we can give advice and try to steer them in the right direction but we cannot compel them to act in a certain way unless we invite them to hunt with us in which case they have to follow our rules. The fact that we know someone or are friends with someone does not mean we agree with their behaviour in the field. I know a number of people who are good, honest people but their hunting ethics are very different from mine and so I don't invite them to hunt with me and they soon stop inviting me to hunt with them because I politely turn down their invitations.

Assuming you were not an experienced problem animal caller/shooter - just like me - what would you have done if a friend, also inexperienced at calling predators, had asked you where they could get a good local predator call CD? What would your approach have been?

Regards,

Dimitri

Please also see the topic, "Am I doing damage?" which I will post on this Board shortly

[naas222]

Almal het iewers begin....gehoor en gesien ander doen dit.. n fluit of caller gekoop en self probeer.. baaaaaaaaie foute gemaak en geleer..
en as die gogga jou gebyt het en dit raak n obsessie en jou vrou word kwaad want dis al wat op jou brein is..
dan doen jy kursus raadpleeg ander vir hulp en doen dit reg...

[Dirkvh]

Opsie 1: Koop jou gunsteling BoereJol, Country wat Skop, Monster Hits 55 of NOW 105 cd en laai op roeper. Vat geweer en 'n kas bier (vir die bystaanders) en dalk 'n rolletjie wors of paar tjoppies want 'n man raak honger as die jakke bietjie lank vat. Moenie worry oor staanplek, windrigting, moontlike areas vir neste, hoe hard jy die roeper stel en roep sequences nie. Staan daar waar die muskiete jou die minste gaan pla en die gras lekker kort is (brandgevaar), sit roeper op bakkie se bonnet en gooi!!!

Ek waarborg 'n meer suksesvolle en genotvolle aand so as om net in die donker te skiet (pardon the pun).

Opsie 2: kontak beroeps jakkels jagter in jou area en vra om saam te ry. Luister en leer soveel jy kan. Sort die jakke so uit, en met geld wat jy spaar doen jy 'n kurses en ry nog so klompie aande saam met jou nuwe, beste vriend, die jak jagter. Daarna begin jy met bietjie kennis en agtergrond.

Opsie 3: kontak beroeps jakkels jagter in jou area en laat hy jou probleem beheer. Roofdier beheer is meer as net 'n eenkeer uitsort afere, die boer en jagter is besigheids vennote soos boer en ko-op bestuurder, veearts of voer konsultant.