Does a dirty rifle shoot better?

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Macros999
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Does a dirty rifle shoot better?

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Hi All,

I have seen a trend that I can not explain with my 7x64. Over my last couple of range sessions I have noticed that my groups steadily improve, with the first group the worst, and last group of the day (I do around 40 rounds, 8 x 5 shot groups) noticeably better than the first group - same load on all the rounds. From around 2 inch groups, down to 0.61 inch.

I could think of a couple of reasons:

- I know that some guys say you need a couple of fouling rounds, but this continues throughout the 40 round session in a fairly linear fashion. So could my rifle prefer a "very" dirty barrel compared to clean. I normally clean my rifle after every session, so start with a clean rifle every time...
- Maybe my concentration just get better as the day progress - maybe I need to get into it first?
- Does temperature have anything to do with this - I normally start at about 7am, so very cold morning, and finish at around 11. Temp difference about 8 degrees from start to finish last Sunday?

Any views? I left the rifle dirty after last weekends shooting, want to start dirty this weekend and see...
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Macros bêre 1 keer na jy geskiet het jou geweer net so in die kluis sonder om die loop binne skoon te maak. So volgende keer begin jy basies waar jy laas gestop het. Jy mag net dalk ophou om heeltyd loop skoon te maak.

Daar is baie manne wat net 1x per seisoen os selfs in 400-500 skote skoon maak. So, om jou vraag te antwoord; sekere gewere perform verseker beter met "vuil" lope maar net tot op 'n punt.
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Ek verwyder koolstof na elke skiet sessie, maar nie koper nie. Ek verwyder koper na 300 skote. Dit neem dan so 30 skote daarna om weer akuraat te skiet.
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I used to clean after every range session and never got good groups, I then started to learn about the copper carbon equilibrium.
The important part there is the copper, don't remove it until your groups start opening up. if your rifle did get dirty say you were using it in adverse conditions only remove the carbon in the barrel.

I am against cleaning now, even with my 375H&H I gt the occasional 10mm group at 100m.

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Macros,

After reading the discussion on this forum re copper equilibrium I stopped cleaning regularily.

Read up on it. It makes sense.

So yes, a dirty rifle can, in some cases, shoot better.

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I'm not a grouping competition shooter but do get a lot of good results on my rifles by only deep cleaning (removing copper) them once a year the rest of the time I pull a bore snake through. But then again I don't easily easily over 200 rounds per rifle per year excluding the .22
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Met al my gewere skiet n vuil loop beter, ek het vir my n megafter gemaak waarmee ek net n lappie deur die loop trek na n skiet sessie, dit haal slegs roet / vuilgoed uit die loop, werk maar op die beginsel van n 'boresnake' maar nie soo agresief nie want die 'snake' het mos borselhaartjies in wat die oppervlakte van die loop skraap.
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Al my gewere word 100% skoon gemaak en na gegaan na enige groot sessie, en glo my hulle skiet ‘n bars hou. Vuiligheid is soos ‘n boomwortel in ‘n drein, dinge pak aan en aan todat die drein verstop, en jy met *** sit. Lees maar net hoeveel mense skiet heeltemal lekker maar een dag wil hul geweer net nie werk nie. Van carbon rings tot goeters wat in die kamer saampak, en ‘n honderd ander dinge wat eers weer regkom na die person die geweer na ‘n geweersmit toe gevat het, en hy bloot net die ding skoon gemaak het.

Volgens my is ‘n skoon geweer ‘n meetbare standaard, ‘n vuil geweer is net nog iets buite jou beheer wat jy maar raai of hy nog ok is of nie, jy wag maar vir dinge om skeef te loop.
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Same with me , when I had all my rifles I picked up that my 300H&H shoots very well after 30+ rounds. The 9.3 x 62 after 10+ , same as with the 7x57 and 30-06 so to with my other rifles , but never really paid serious attention to that.
But as an old Infantry man , as thought in the army , cleaned my rifles after every session or hunt.
Then I read the post here on Jaracal and tried it...………..with huge success.
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Messor wrote:Al my gewere word 100% skoon gemaak en na gegaan na enige groot sessie, en glo my hulle skiet ‘n bars hou. Vuiligheid is soos ‘n boomwortel in ‘n drein, dinge pak aan en aan todat die drein verstop, en jy met *** sit. Lees maar net hoeveel mense skiet heeltemal lekker maar een dag wil hul geweer net nie werk nie. Van carbon rings tot goeters wat in die kamer saampak, en ‘n honderd ander dinge wat eers weer regkom na die person die geweer na ‘n geweersmit toe gevat het, en hy bloot net die ding skoon gemaak het.

Volgens my is ‘n skoon geweer ‘n meetbare standaard, ‘n vuil geweer is net nog iets buite jou beheer wat jy maar raai of hy nog ok is of nie, jy wag maar vir dinge om skeef te loop.
Selfde hier. Ek maak so goed ek kan skoon en dan is my eerste skoot gewoonlik so klein stukkie weg van die groep maar niks noemenswaardig nie. Van die tweede skoot af is alles weer "back to normal".
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Elke geweer is anders

Op my baan gewere maak silwerskoon(koper, koolstof die hele kaboedel)na elke sessie, of dit 5 of 50 skote is.

My jaggewere maak ek net 1 maal n jaar goed skoon, anders n paar lappies Ram Nitro Solvent, skoon lappies en ligte olie lappie voor ek hom in kluis bêre.

Dit wil vir my lyk asof rak geweer lope effe vuil wil wees en iets soos n Krieger skoner wil wees om fyn te skiet


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My 22-250, Rem 700 VLS, wil verseker nie skoon wees nie. Na 15-20 skote kom hy eers by na skoon maak.

Die match lope kon ek nog nie agterkom wat hulle voorkeur is nie. Skoon/vuil hulle skiet n snotskoot. Is wel silwerskoon na 5 of 6 patches.

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Soos Messor maak ek ook elke keer al my gewere silwer skoon...of die skietsessie nou 5 of 50 skote was.
Dit vat gewoonlik net een of twee skote, wat uit ondervinding maksimum so kwart minuut uit kan wees, dan is die roere weer spot on. My gewere skiet almal beter as ek...en om altyd met 'n skoon loop te skiet beteken vir my een minder veranderlike om oor te kwel.
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