Hulp asb; 260+143 ELD-X+H4350

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Hallo almal, ek soek hulp asb. Ek sukkel om n lading te kry vir n 260 Rem Tikka. Met proef ladings mooi groep geskiet en toe 15 patrone gelaai om seker te maak nou skiet ek dium grootte groepe. Met 41.4gr H4350 17mm 3 skoot groep, 41,7gr H4350 13.8mm groep. Maar kry dit nie weer reg nie.
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Maks TPL 74,5mm, TPL gelaai 71,8mm(magasyn lengte 72mm)
Spoed met chrony op 5m,- 41,4gr ,2666, 2661, 2677. (gem 2668)
-41,7gr ,2682, 2672, 2688. (gem 2680)
Is ek naby aan n node of moet ek ander lading/spoed probeer.
Ek gaan geweer uit hout kolf haal en in plastiek tikka kolf insit net om te kyk of bedding dalk iets daarmee te doen kan hê.
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Re: Hulp asb; 260+143 ELD-X+H4350

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More dit lyk vir my of jy net bietjie vinnig is lyk of 41gr jou op die node behoort te sit, Spoed volgens Ql moet 2657fps wees so ek reken dit behoort so 2640fps te wees op jou chrony 5m weg.
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M98mauser wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:42 am More dit lyk vir my of jy net bietjie vinnig is lyk of 41gr jou op die node behoort te sit, Spoed volgens Ql moet 2657fps wees so ek reken dit behoort so 2640fps te wees op jou chrony 5m weg.
Please could you place a screenshot of your calculations.
Mine do not tie up with yours what so ever.
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Hier is my poging. Wil net seker maak - Hodgon of IMR se 4350?
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tripodmvr wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:11 pm Hier is my poging. Wil net seker maak - Hodgon of IMR se 4350?

Lamtjop 260 H4350 143ELDX.png
My calcs and your vary by 0.1 grain and 4 fps.
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Lamtjop, my vorige data vir jou loop was 570mm. Het jy nou kans gekry om besnydenis toe te pas?

Dale, I have noticed these small differences and they could be case length and bullet data that differ.
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I always use a slightly shorter case trim length as default ( as default is max trim length and most standard cutters trim to about 0.15 to 0.20mm shorter than max )
Persons should supply their case trim length as it does make a slight difference in the calcs.
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Ek het hom ook op 40 grein @ 2598 vps.
Gemete mates van die betrokke koeël kan ook lei tot klein verskille in beskikbare volume.
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Dop lengte is tussen 51,40 en 51,44mm nog nie dope getrim nie.
Oom Driepoot ek het darem nie sy "punt" afgesny nie, net hierdie keer met geweerstok tot teen slot gesig gemeet. Tikka website het 570mm gesê.
Is daar n hoer node wat ek veilig kan behaal?
Kruit is Hodgdon H4350.
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Your 41.7 grain load is predicted already be at 60 500 psi ( SAAMI max is 60 191 psi )
to get to the next node would be +- 63000 psi.
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Dankie Dale,ek sal more skiet en kyk wat maak hy met 40gr.
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You could potentially get to the next node with a 130 grain bullet but i am not sure how that ties up with the application you want to use the rifle for.
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How with the node look with a 600mm barrel? Still the same?
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Met daardie lengte loop en 'n normale H4350 kan jy 2700vps kry teen 60K psi. Brand hy vinniger, soos met die geweer bo, dan is jy oor die 60K.

Norma 204 wys op 59K en spoed van 2735vps.
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JPS wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:08 pm How with the node look with a 600mm barrel? Still the same?
With which bullet weight ?
130 or 143 eld-x
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143 eld-
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He would sneak in at 2716 fps right on max pressure.
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Net so bietjie terugvoering, ek dink ek het die spook gekry. Die kolf. Met 40,0gr H4350 was spoed baie laer as voorspel maar 4 skoot groep was 7mm(ek moes maar by skoot3 gestop het, toe was groep 3mm)
Spoed 40,0gr - 2520, 2520, 2539, 2569. TPL 71,78mm
Moet ek so stadig van 40gr af oplaai tot spoed so 2600 is?
Ek het toe patrone wat nog oor was met lading van 41,7gr H4350 se TPL verleng tot 73,5mm en hulle enkel skoot geskiet, groep vir 4 skote was 10.5mm. Spoed was 2682, 2667, 2693 (1ste skoot wou chrony nie meet nie).
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Met die hoër lading gaan jy 3K psi oor maks druk moet gaan om op die node by 2700vps te kom. Nie my idee van 'n lading wat ek gereeld sou gebruik nie.

Met die korter TPL en 41gr behoort jy by 2600vps uit te kom. Hier is waar jy kan skiet tot hartelus. Jou 40gr lading het nou al sy potensiaal gewys. As 41gr ook goed doen het jy 'n baie wye nodeband wat baie vergewend gaan wees.
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