Howa 243 standaard

[Dale SH]

87 grain

[vlakvarkbeer]

Thanks will do

[vlakvarkbeer]

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Hallo hallo almal ek het gaan skiet en ek het die volgende gekry S365 Lot 85 Hornady 87 varmint hp 40, 40.5, 41.41.5en 42 op 42 het die geweer baie wip gehad so dit het vir my geluk of hy nou bietjie warm is omdat hy soo wip maar nog nie help tog asb manne eks raad op ek sit die foto op met speod en skree maar vir my as julle vrae het. Die dope is Norma primer is Winchester en die is bo.

Dankie

[Dale SH]

What was your TPL and H2O of the other cases you used ?

[tripodmvr]

Verduidelik die "wip". Waarop rus die voorlaai van die geweer?

[vlakvarkbeer]

What was your TPL and H2O of the other cases you used ?

The TPL was 67mm I did not check this O2

[vlakvarkbeer]

Verduidelik die "wip". Waarop rus die voorlaai van die geweer?

As jy die 40 of so skiet dan voel jy die geweer skop nie of wip nie op nie maar as jy na 41.5 en 42 gaan dan maak hy so dis of hy optel.

[vlakvarkbeer]

Ek sal ,more oggend die o2 gee

[tripodmvr]

My opmerkings na jou vele probeerslae -
1. Maak die TPL 66mm om te sien of die druk afneem. Die brandtempo van Lot 85 lyk baie hoog.
2. Hoe vêr vertrou jy die teleskoop - kan jy dit nie met 'n ander een vervang wat betroubaar is nie.
3. Die ES is groot en dit maak dit moeilik om met QL iets te bereken - gebruik liefs beter doppe.

[vlakvarkbeer]

My opmerkings na jou vele probeerslae -
1. Maak die TPL 66mm om te sien of die druk afneem. Die brandtempo van Lot 85 lyk baie hoog.
2. Hoe vêr vertrou jy die teleskoop - kan jy dit nie met 'n ander een vervang wat betroubaar is nie.
3. Die ES is groot en dit maak dit moeilik om met QL iets te bereken - gebruik liefs beter doppe.

Ek het reeds die norma dope gekry en gehoop dis beter as PMP en Winchester sal ek ander primers gebruik ek het ook reeds n ander scope opgesit

[Malan123]

Oom driepoot ek het nou ruk met vlakvarkbeer op die foon gesels. Hy het klomp norma doppe en so paar ligter punte by my gekry. My voorstel is dat hy van voor af begin met die norma doppe en dan weer data te kom gee

[tripodmvr]

Oom driepoot ek het nou ruk met vlakvarkbeer op die foon gesels. Hy het klomp norma doppe en so paar ligter punte by my gekry. My voorstel is dat hy van voor af begin met die norma doppe en dan weer data te kom gee

Wyse besluit. Of dit is 'n Maandag geweer of hy moet skiet.

[vlakvarkbeer]

More almal die volgende inligting.
Norma doppe ek het 5 doppe geweeg en is soos volg.
173.5,173.5,173.6,173.6,173.6
Gemiddel 173.5
O2 was 228.8,228.8,228.3,228.3,228.8
Gemiddel 228.6
Die primer was Winchester en Kryst was S365 lot85 die lengte was 67mm en het 40,40.5,41,41.5,42 gelaai.

Dankie ek sit weer my rus by wat ek gebruik.

Dankie weereens.

[Dale SH]

OK.
Lets try and make sense of this mess.

There are two anomolies here.
1. Accuracy
2. The speeds you are achieving and your ES

Please answer these questions ?

1. These cartridges you loaded yesterday where with the Norma cases ?
2. How did you prepare them and did you trim the case lengths to spec?
3. Are you crimping the bullets or not ?
4. Did you change the scope for another one of known reliability ?
5. What scale are you using to weigh your charge ?
6. When you removed the barreled action from the stock and replaced it, how tight did you make your action screws ?
7. If you take a piece of paper and fold it and run it under the barrel how much clearance do you have between the barrel and the stock. How many times can you fold the paper before there is friction between the barrel and stock ?
8. While you checking the clearance between the barrel and stock did you feel the paper touch anywhere between the barrel and stock in other words a high spot on the stock ?
9. My recommendation was to load the Hornady 87 grain bullets at 67.0mm. What was your jump to the rifling at this TPL ?
10. How far in front of the muzzle was your chrony and is the battery in good condition ?
11. Are you 100% sure you do not rest the barrel on the shooting stand or place downward pressure on the barrel with your hand whilst shooting ?
12. Are your scope bases and rings suitably tight ?
13. Does your scope have a variable parallax setting or is it a fixed parallax ?

[joe rocket]

Gebruik een maak ontsteker. Laai net Winchesters.

[vlakvarkbeer]

OK.
Lets try and make sense of this mess.

There are two anomolies here.
1. Accuracy
2. The speeds you are achieving and your ES

Please answer these questions ?

1. These cartridges you loaded yesterday where with the Norma cases ?
2. How did you prepare them and did you trim the case lengths to spec?
3. Are you crimping the bullets or not ?
4. Did you change the scope for another one of known reliability ?
5. What scale are you using to weigh your charge ?
6. When you removed the barreled action from the stock and replaced it, how tight did you make your action screws ?
7. If you take a piece of paper and fold it and run it under the barrel how much clearance do you have between the barrel and the stock. How many times can you fold the paper before there is friction between the barrel and stock ?
8. While you checking the clearance between the barrel and stock did you feel the paper touch anywhere between the barrel and stock in other words a high spot on the stock ?
9. My recommendation was to load the Hornady 87 grain bullets at 67.0mm. What was your jump to the rifling at this TPL ?
10. How far in front of the muzzle was your chrony and is the battery in good condition ?
11. Are you 100% sure you do not rest the barrel on the shooting stand or place downward pressure on the barrel with your hand whilst shooting ?
12. Are your scope bases and rings suitably tight ?
13. Does your scope have a variable parallax setting or is it a fixed parallax ?

1. Dit was norma doppies
2. Die dop lengtes is 51.5mm ek gebruik n Pasific trimmer
3. Ek crimp nie my punte nie dis net met point seater
4.Ek het die scope verander na n ander een
5. Ek gebruik n Lyman 1200 en n RCBS 505 om seker te maak dis korrek
6. Die skroewe het ek van gedraai met n tool maar nie te vas nie ek het nie n torqrence nie
7. Ek kan n papier 3 vou en deur druk maar 2 gann beter daar is geen merke op die loop nie
8. Jip dit was die 87 Hornady 67mm en die jump is .8mm
9. Die chrony was 5meter voor die geweer
10. Die batery is die 12v wat gestep is na 9v

11. Ek het nou weer seker gemaak dat alles vas base en ringe

12. Ja hy het n parralax voor wat jy kan stel om dit mooi te fokus


Jammer vir die afrikaans hoop die help. Nog n ding ek het die twist gemeet en kry 240/245mm en dan deel ek deur 25.4 en kry dan 9.5 +- is dit reg.

Dankie

[Dale SH]

All the indications are that your accuracy is related to too little clearance between the barrel and the stock.
My suggestion would be (before you start clearing out the barrel channel on the stock with a dremmel tool) is to first buy a box of factory ammo.
Shoot 5 rounds and see if they group ( 2 inches or less )
If the factory ammo is all over the place then take a 0.5mm washer and place it between the action and lugs on the stock (front and rear) and torque down the action screws to the manufacturers recommended torque. Shoot the same factory ammo and see if the grouping improves.
If this does not work take a 1.00mm washer and do the same. 5 rounds of factory ammo.

And secondly and I ask this with all due respect, how do you rate your shooting ability. Do you believe you are capable of shooting MOA groupings ?

No problem with the Afrikaans I am fairly fluent in Afrikaans but I can not type it to save my life.

[vlakvarkbeer]

Dankie ek sal moet fabrieks amunusie kry ek het al gevra by ons in Newcastle maar niks nou sal ek moet Dundee of Volksrust gaan kyk ek sal ook vir my seun gee om te skiet dit is sy geweer maar Pa help maar sy atand wat hy gebruik hou ek nie van nie maar dankie vir die hulp kan die geweer n 1/9.5 twist he ek lees op die internet dat Remington se twist 1/9 is.

Dankie

[Dale SH]

I dont think that your twist is an issue here.
Most of the 243's are 1 in 10 twist and they shoot just fine.
It's only those really long target type bullets which need a slightly faster twist.

[vlakvarkbeer]

Ok dankie

[vlakvarkbeer]

Hi Dale ek het vandag na die baan gegaan om S&B 100gr gekoopte amunisie te skiet soos jy gese het en ek het die volgende agter gekom ek het 4 skote geskiet standard en 3 skote met die .5mm shim soos jy gese het en daar was n groot verskil op groepering wat sal die volgende stap wees om die Hogue te pak of eerder n ander kolf kry.

Dankie

[Dale SH]

Yip the grouping is clearly much better.

I would get the action bedded, the forend of the stock reinforced and clear out the barrel channel so that you have more clearance around the barrel.

Or just get another stock.

If you have enough threads on the action screws I would even use a 0.8mm spacer and see what your groups look like.

[vlakvarkbeer]

Jip u can say that I will put in a .75 shim and try again would the bedding help.

Thanks

[Dale SH]

Bedding combined with more clearance around your barrel would be the way to go.

[vlakvarkbeer]

Ok will do. Thanks and for the help so far.
Can I put in a 1mm shim and do the beding