split ramme/ooie op rooibokke

[FCLoretz]

Ek sien van die mense praat oor 'n split ram/ooi.

Nou wat is 'n split ram/ooi en hoe weet jy die verskil tussen die diere?

[Hugo]

Sy ma of pa is n swartbok,

Maar meestal sal sy pa swart wees.

Net n sal laat n gewone ram sy swart ooi laat dek.

[FCLoretz]

Dankie Hugo,

hoe sien/bepaal jy die verskil tussen 'n gewone rooibok en 'n split rooibok?

[stan man]

in my beperkte wysheid gaan ek probeer antwoord.dit is as jy bv soos by my n goue wildebees bul tussen jou blouwildebees koeie sit en daar vind nou kruis teling plaas. dan is dit eerste generasie split kallers wat jy kry. daar gaan nie nou noodwendig n kleur verskil nie. as jy dan daardie vroulike diere weer deur n goue bok laat dek dan kry jy 2de generasie splits en dan kan jy al van die diere sien vat kleur afwykings het. daardie vroulike diere word dan weer gedek en die kleur word al hoe beter.as jy selektief inteling laat gebeur behoort jy na die 4de inteling n redelike groep goue wilde beeste te he.

as daar splits op n plaas is waar jy nog nie kleur kan ondersky nie die boer jou vinnig inlig. ons is nogal erg oor die splits want dit is baie meer werd,en het die potensieel om later vir jou baie geld werd te wees.

[Hugo]

Wat dit ook beteken is hy dra die geen van n swart dier

[FCLoretz]

Dankie Frans en Hugo.

So behalwe vir kleur afwykings is daar nie kenmerke om dit te sien nie? Behalwe as jy laat toetse doen?

[Hugo]

Soos ek verstaan is dit sigbaar op die ore en neus, maar die neus is nie n goeie aanduiding nie, agter op die bene, rump en rug is ook n aanduiding, maar jy gan hom nie sommer op n F1 split sien nie.

[Hugo]

DNA is ookmeen manier as jy nie die koper ken of vertrou nie.

Daars baie skelms daar buite.

[stan man]

hugo dit is nou in n neutedop gestel.en so na aan die waarheid as wat kan kom.
die gene is die goete wat waarde het. toetse kan sekerlik gedoen word ,maar dit gaan jou n pophuis vol geld kos.
ek het nou die aand gaan trek bokke skiet en tussen die springbokke was daar koper springbokke. ek wonder wie se koper het weg geloop.

[Sako75]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid

[Allure]

With impala there is no way to id Splits other than genetic Parentage there are currently no markers for the Black gene so the only way that you will tell if they are genuine splits is if you have a DNA sample from the ram and the offspring that you are buying and normally at this stage in the game you have bought the animals -so it is too late...
With split animals they can either show some black Phenotype or they can show none at all - I can show you split ewes that have no black coloration and that are as red as they come yet with a black ram they produce black lambs every year. I can also show you Ewe's that look like black faced impala that have prominent black markings even on their fore legs that still produce red lambs every year.
Best is to buy from a reputable breeder and if not go and view the animals first hand and see the black lambs amongst the herd, Establish when they started with black impala - remember there is 3 years between Phase's. So if the guys are selling Phase 2 splits then they started with a black ram in May 2009, if they are phase 3 May 2006 and there are very few guys that started all those years ago.
Try and speak to the labour on the famr and ask them when did these impala arrive here.
When I started off in the Wildlife trade of live animals in 2009 I went to a guy that was selling "Split rooibokke" near warmbad.
I spent a few hours looking at the animals in the boma and the ones in the camp on the same farm - the farmer told me he had been busy with breeding since 2007. When I spoke to the Labour he said to me - "The boss she take the impala today - next week the truck she come -she bring many impala to the boma and then the new people she come and buy the impala after they look in the camp."
Game agents, farmers - there are many blixems in this industry - know your source and ask around about them be they agents or farmers - if they do skelm business a few phone calls will quickly establish their credentials. - You need not buy animals through me but give me a ring and I can guide you on the credentials of most of the skelm operators in the industry.
Many guys also believe that when you put normal impala with a black ram they automatically become splits - this is not the case they are still full blown red impala.
Also even if a chap says to you he started in 2009 Phase 1 splits (now 2years old) Will have only taken ram last year and their Lambs will be phase 2(7months) and if they are selling ewes "Split ewes" that are 3years of age or older guess what they are not splits.
Breed your own splits or buy certified normal impala pregnant by a black ram (this saves money as you have different blood on which to use your ram - after year three you shoot all your original red ewes out - it takes a little longer but at least you know what you have. Buying an Additional black ewe expedites your return on investment...
Sorry for the english ek praat beter as wat ek kan skryf.. so as jy nie verstaan kontak my via PM.
Groente

[Allure]

Vergeet om by te sit - ek is n boer en n wilds agent so ek ken al twee kante.
Swart rooibokke is my passie so ek weet al die "in's" en "outs" van teel van die bokke.

[FCLoretz]

Dankie Allure,

Dit help baie en is 'n mooi verduideliking van hoe dit werk. Ek sal jou die british verskoon. Ek verstaan mooi wat jy geskryf het

[Hein (Haan)]

Ek was nou die aand by n praatjie wat gehandel het oor die soort wild en die oom van WS2 (ws2.co.za)
het die toetse en dna mooi verduidelik, kos so R300 vir n dna toets as ek reg kan onthou. So dis nie baie duur as mens kyk wat jy dalk kan verloor nie.

[Stefan764]

kos so R300 vir n dna toets as ek reg kan onthou.

Onthou net die dart koste ook... Maar ja jy is reg, verseker die moeite werd...

[Allure]

Dan wys net relatives nie die swart gene nie.