JARACAL

Hi everyone,

Please could I ask for your opinion on a problem I have just discovered on my Savage 260.

I have my scope mounted on a Warne 20MOA Picatinny Tactical rail so that I can reach out quite far. The rings are also Warne because I believe that matching the rail and rings makes sense as there are differences in rails between different manufacturers.

Well anyway I went shooting this weekend and could not work out why me or my rifle just can not hold a decent group.

I got home and started checking everything was tight and re-torqued my scope rings to the recommended torque settings and double checked the action bolts.

All seemed fine so I thought possibly the rifle was dirty so I started cleaning the barrel with the solvent and the one patch was a little tight so I held onto the scope while trying to free the rod from the bore and much to my surprise the scope actually moved quite freely on the Picatinny Rail. This was after I re-torqued them which makes no sense.

I then loosened all my scope ring screws and re-tightened as per the instructions which is to tighten bottom screws before even touching the top screws. After tightening the bottom the rings still moved on the rail.

What am I supposed to do now as I no longer trust the mounting system and I am considering changing to Night Force simply because I know of no other system I could use.

Any opinions would be appreciated as I am a little upset and irrated with this situation that I find myself in.

Regards,

Andre

Is it not perhaps the rail moving?

Hi Andre,

What Warne rings are you using? The Warne Maxima rings are a pain to mount correctly, but shouldnt be sliding around on the rail if done right. One of the recoil keys(metal insert on bottom of rings that fits into slots on top of rail) might not be flush in its slot, so you are tightening the ring against the recoil key in stead of flush on the rail.

Disassemble and see if all the parts are there and fitted into their position. If they are all there, you either have a stripped screw somewhere or the rail/rings are out of spec.

Personally, I prefer horizontal split rings to the vertical split of the Warne rings. If I had to use Warne rings, I would go for the tactical rings where the scope and bases are tightened independently from one another.

ruaanb wrote:Is it not perhaps the rail moving?

Die naweek na 3 skote op die baan was dit presies wat fout was. Rail was los en ek diep diep gatvol. 50 skote terug ook gebeur en ek het toe alles weer vasgemaak. Seker nie sterk genoeg nie. Ek soek nou torq drivers of gaan my welder opstart!!!!

JohanvanZyl wrote:

ruaanb wrote:Is it not perhaps the rail moving?

Die naweek na 3 skote op die baan was dit presies wat fout was. Rail was los en ek diep diep gatvol. 50 skote terug ook gebeur en ek het toe alles weer vasgemaak. Seker nie sterk genoeg nie. Ek soek nou torq drivers of gaan my welder opstart!!!!

Kry blou Loctite of ThreadLocker by hardeware winkel. Druppel op elke skroefie en hulle behoort nie weer los te kom nie

ruaanb wrote:Is it not perhaps the rail moving?

Unfortunately not.

I could/still can move the scope forward and backwards while the rail remains in position.

I just can not see how I could tighten incorrectly because the recoil key simply will not allow you to seat the rings on the rail if the key is not correctly seated in the slot under the rings.

They are the "MAXIMA SERIES" rings

I will disassemble again this evening and try again because I also find it very strange.

Andre

Vinnige vraag: Beweeg die teleskoop in die ringe of beweeg die teleskoop, saam met die ringe op die basis?
Maak seker dat die basis skroewe nie uitsteek bokant die gleuwe nie. Dit sal verhoed at die "key" reg in posisie is, wanneer jy daai spesifieke gleuwe gebruik.

Gawie(13mm) wrote:Vinnige vraag: Beweeg die teleskoop in die ringe of beweeg die teleskoop, saam met die ringe op die basis?
Maak seker dat die basis skroewe nie uitsteek bokant die gleuwe nie. Dit sal verhoed at die "key" reg in posisie is, wanneer jy daai spesifieke gleuwe gebruik.

Hi Gawie,

Die teleskoop beweeg nie in die ringe nie, die scope met die ringe beweeg in die "rail". Die scope is baie stewig in die ringe vas gehou en beweeg glad nie, maar dit is asof die ringe nie aan die Rail vas gemaak kan word nie.

Ek sal vanaad gou kyk en seker maak dat die skroewe nie vir die recoil keys probleeme veroorsaak nie.

Dankie

Andre

Ek het 'n geruime tyd gelede dieselfde probleem gehad waar die mounts beweeg op die rail.
Na baie kopkrap was die groot probleem vir my die feit dat my Piccatini rail se masjien werk so perfek fyn gedoen is dat dit die toleransie van die weaver mounts te groot was om 'n goeie montering te kry. Ek kon glad nie in S.A. spesifiek piccatini mounts kry nie en moes invoer, elke winkel waar ek navraag gedoen het het gedink ek is gek. Ek het die korrekte mounts ingevoer en daar was die einde van my probleme.

Die veiligste is om die rail te meet en te vergelyk met die mounts.

kbooom wrote:Ek het 'n geruime tyd gelede dieselfde probleem gehad waar die mounts beweeg op die rail.
Na baie kopkrap was die groot probleem vir my die feit dat my Piccatini rail se masjien werk so perfek fyn gedoen is dat dit die toleransie van die weaver mounts te groot was om 'n goeie montering te kry. Ek kon glad nie in S.A. spesifiek piccatini mounts kry nie en moes invoer, elke winkel waar ek navraag gedoen het het gedink ek is gek. Ek het die korrekte mounts ingevoer en daar was die einde van my probleme.

Die veiligste is om die rail te meet en te vergelyk met die mounts.

Hi ,

Quick Update after some checking rails, rings etc.

Looks like the Mounts do not fit the rail as well as I would like. From the marks that the moving scope has left on the rail, which must have been happening for quite a while, you can see that the Recoil Keys have been moving in the slots in the rail. This is even though the rings were tightened to 25in/pound as suggested by Warne. I really took care to try and seat the rings nicely on the rail this time and tightened them to 35in/pounds which hopefully will hold.

I am shooting the 700m SA Hunters shoot tomorrow and need this mounting system to just hold for around 20 shots after which I will look at some Tier One mounts which should give me a better mount on my rail.

Thanks for all your help

Andre

MrFive wrote:

kbooom wrote:Ek het 'n geruime tyd gelede dieselfde probleem gehad waar die mounts beweeg op die rail.
Na baie kopkrap was die groot probleem vir my die feit dat my Piccatini rail se masjien werk so perfek fyn gedoen is dat dit die toleransie van die weaver mounts te groot was om 'n goeie montering te kry. Ek kon glad nie in S.A. spesifiek piccatini mounts kry nie en moes invoer, elke winkel waar ek navraag gedoen het het gedink ek is gek. Ek het die korrekte mounts ingevoer en daar was die einde van my probleme.

Die veiligste is om die rail te meet en te vergelyk met die mounts.

Hi ,

Quick Update after some checking rails, rings etc.

Looks like the Mounts do not fit the rail as well as I would like. From the marks that the moving scope has left on the rail, which must have been happening for quite a while, you can see that the Recoil Keys have been moving in the slots in the rail. This is even though the rings were tightened to 25in/pound as suggested by Warne. I really took care to try and seat the rings nicely on the rail this time and tightened them to 35in/pounds which hopefully will hold.

I am shooting the 700m SA Hunters shoot tomorrow and need this mounting system to just hold for around 20 shots after which I will look at some Tier One mounts which should give me a better mount on my rail.

Thanks for all your help

Andre

If the rings arentmoving, you should be good to go.
Two remarks, more for other guys reading the thread later, sure you got this;

-Remember to push the recoil key forward in the slot before tightening. Under recoil, the rifle will move backwards first, then scope. If the recoil key is in the rear of the slot, recoil will force scope forward and screws can loosen
-Loosen top screws as much as possible before tightening bottom ones with the Maxima rings,otherwise you will place undue stress on scope tube and have less than the 25in/pounds torque holding the ring to the rail.