Metode Nr 2 - Slagysters

[Caller]

Taffie

Die eintlike geheim is om die yster met die stelslag , so selektief moontlik te maak. As jy dit nie doen nie en iets anders gevang het, kan die yster mos nie vir daardie tydperk (gedeelte van 'n dag een volle nag) wat die ander dier daarin is, die jakkals vang nie. Met ander woorde die yster is beset en as jakkie verbykom het jy nie 'n kans om hom te vang nie en die moleste daar by die yster, leer hom om net skelmer te wees.

Caller

[tafjak]

Caller

Jy s 100% reg, ek het net gemeen die ou wat ysters gebruik kan darem stel en weet waar om te stel. Die steenbokke, muise ens is mos net deel van die 10- of 15% wat die yster weerhou van 100% TEIKEN GERIGTHEID.

Taffie

[Caller]

Taffie

Einste!

Caller

[projag]

As jy weet hoe om 'n slagyster te stel is dit net so selektief of selfs meer selektief as die hok. Beide moet daagliks nagegaan word. Beide kan aanleiding gee tot besering.
Hoekom is die een nou meer aanvaarbaar as die ander.

[Kruger]

Anatoliese honde byt alles in hul kamp vrek, van hase, steenbokke, duikers tot koedoekalwers. Dit is baie minder spesie spesefiek as enige slagyster, tog is dit een van die metodes wat BS en kie aanbeveel. Dit pas hulle egter nie om daardie feit te erken nie, tog word die 5% nie teikendiere van slagysters aan die groot klok gehang. Groete

[MEERKAT]

Projag

'n Slagyster kan baie selektief wees indien hy reg gestel sou word en nie by drade gestel word nie.

Wat ons normaalweg doen is stel ysters teen paaie binne rykafstand vanaf die bakkie, in beweeg areas van jakkalse. Loop gewoonlik op en af in paaie. Stel yster en sit doringtak bo op. Laat hom so le al is dit vir maande. Op 'n dag gaan die gogga in die pad begin jol. Haal tak af en sit aas by yster, moet tog net nie daar rondloop nie doen alles vanaf die bakkie. Ertjie pit grote aas , gogga se neusie is nogal fyn en te veel aas sal hom bang maak. 2 of 3 Druppeltjies ou bloed sal hom nuuskierig maak. Yster se afdruk gewig moet reggestel wees anders gaan jy MEERKATTE vang.

Gogga sal die nag draaitjie kom maak.
MEERKAT

[britsman]

Slagyster kenners,
      Ek kry my slagysters reg vir die oorlog en wil weet hoe om hulle roes bestaan te maak sonder om 'n reuk aan hulle te gee?
        Op Major Boddiker se kursus het hy gese dat jy kerse smelt en die was in kook bossie water sit saam met die ysters en dan die ysters stadig deur die "wax" trek om 'n 'n din laagie op dit te kry. Enige probleme met hierdie manier? Is daar ander maniere?

        groete,
                      brits

[Mac]

Hi Brits,

There is nothing magical about setting traps, or cages for that matter, 99% of your success is not how they are set, its in your head,

Cats are basically arrogant, so all you have to do is to create an environment which will appeal to him, or to convince him to investigate the inside of your cage, you need an attractant, be that olfactory or or sensory, I find a skull hanging in the rear of the cage,( I often place "Seargro" in the brain cavity ) or a cluster of small white feathers works well, and then you need something like a catnip extract or Peter Schneekluth's scents to stop him and make him interested. I always place a mixture of male and female urine inside the cage and at the entrance, ( Don't mix them ) your house cats' scat sand also works, but not as well. I keep saying him because you will catch up to 80% males in cages. I do find that an electronic squeaker in the cage also works well. Cover the cage with fresh vegetation cut elsewhere, and place your cages and or traps in or against covered walks or paths like overgrown slote, or gully's coming to or from troughs or fountains. Cats like hilly, rocky areas here in the Karroo, it should be no different your way.

For both cats and jackals, practice on your dogs or house cats, just don't set the traps for them, your wife may take exception, but if they stop and investigate, or enter the cages, you are on the right track,

Older jackal are more difficult to trap than youngsters, they did not get old by being stupid, but Meercats method works very well.

Think of how a jackal operates, and you will increase your chances dramatically. Assess the jackal groups 70% area and concentrate your efforts there. Try to set off footpaths, tweespoor roads, paths that intersect or cross are also a good place, and you will do very well between 20 and 100m from permanent water. Always set away from the path, 12 to 24 inches, and set against bushes (Your attractant) that are not normally grazed by your stock. Any place that a jackal leaves dung on a bush, or where your dog HAS to stop and lift his leg is a good place. My main attractant for jackal is urine drawn from the jackal I shoot. I will use male to start, and every 4 - 5 days alternate on the Judas bush between male & female, I squirt 1 mil undiluted urine on the bush every time.

If you are like me, who always takes his dogs to the veld, then don't worry too much about your scent in the trap area, I have found jackal spoor that have followed our spoor for hundreds of yards the next night, and have also marked the bushes that my dogs have marked, I have even seen that they spray where I have taken a leak.

I set my traps, and then just leave them for about a week to 10 days, then I will go and scent bait them, and it works well, you can scent bait immediately after any rain. Your pan should be set to a minimum of 2 kg, I set mine to 2.5. Porcupine are for some reason curious about jackal trap sets, and you will occasionally catch a few.

After callers post about collecting scat from shot jackal, I tried it, and set some fresh unfrozen female scat on a trap that had not caught for a few weeks, that same night I caught a young male.

As for the rust on traps, I don't worry about it, I lubrlcate all pivot points with clear petroleum jelly after boiling them in Pentsia or Kapokbos stews, and have had no problems as yet.

I would also be very interested in comment from forum members.

Good luck, and remember Gary Players' motto, the more I practice, the luckier I get'

Cheers,

Graham

[britsman]

Graham,
         Thank you for your detailed informative reply. I appreciate it. I am convinced that if every small livestock farmer just had to use their slagysters and vanghokke they have, and set them the right way and place, we would make  a considerable reduction in their numbers in a very short period.
     Thanks again.
                         brits

[Ambessa]

Hallo mac21

Like I said, there are always more effective ways to go about using/setting equipment.

Let us hear from the other guys.

It seems we are the only three souties here on the forum, that is you and Britsman (besides myself of course)?

Ambessa

[Ambessa]

Hallo Britsman and mac21

That is the correct attitude. Farmers must know their land and use the right equipment correct. It would seem there is not enough dedication in this regard among a considerable section of farmers? Granted, some say they do not have the time for this kind of activity, therefore they rely on specialists to solve their challenges (at a fee of course).

Ambessa

[britsman]

Ambessa,
           

Granted, some say they do not have the time for this kind of activity, therefore they rely on specialists to solve their challenges (at a fee of course).

    In our area the specialists are not available and most s/st farmers don't realize that their livelihood is at stake. We will all have to catch a quick wake up call.

                brits

[britsman]

Graham,
            Do you use P.Snee's gin traps?
            Have you modified them as Heinrich suggested in earlier posts?
            How do you set the pan trip weight? I made a spring loaded plunger (looks like a bicycle pump)with .5kg settings marked on the plunger.
     
              brits

[Mac]

Hi Brits,

Yes, I use Peters' traps, I unfortunately haven't read Heinrich's method yet, will have to try and find it.

I grind away the sides of the jaws to extend the opening, and then weld lugs on the risers to give a jaw spread gap of just under 1/2 an inch. I find that after smoothing the jaws, I get very little damage to the legs, but I lose very few to pull outs. I used to weld short pieces of flat iron on the inside of the jaws, and line then with rubber, but I lost too many to pullouts.

I use an ordinary fishing scale to set the pan tension, and I place the hook in the middle of the pan on the side to test the drop weight.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Graham

[britsman]

Graham,
            Here is part of Heinrich's post:
          Dit is verder my siening dat die slagyster as volg verander moet word:
1.Die slagyster kake moet gelamineer word. Deur 'n ronde yster bo-op of onder die kake vas te sweis word die houvas oppervlakte vergroot en voorkom dit ook beenbreuke.
2.Die gaping tussen die kake moet 'n minimum van 5-6mm wees om verder te voorkom dat beenbreuke plaasvind.
3.Die trapplaat se gewig moet verstelbaar wees om nie kleiner diere te vang nie wat maklik hulle bene kan breek in die stoei om los te kom.
4.Die ketting moet 'n maksimum van 600mm wees indien 'n pen of anker gebruik word en 'n veer moet bygevoeg word om te keer dat die jakkals nie teen iets solied ruk en veg nie. Dit is meer elasties en voorkom ook beenbreuke. Verder moet daar ten minste twee draaiskakels wees, een teen die pen en een teen die slagyster wat sal voorkom dat die ketting opdraai en die jakkals of ander dier hom daardeur beskadig.
5.Sleep-ysters: Dit is my beskeie mening dat te veel diere met sleep-ysters wegkom en die tyd gespandeer om die diere te soek veral na re?n nie wenslik is nie. Penne en ankers kan in die meeste, indien nie 100%, van die gevalle gebruik word. Die slagyster en dier word gevind daar waar die slagyster gestel is.
          brits

[Ambessa]

Hallo Britsman en mac21

Kyk net na die goeie kennis wat reeds beskikbaar is om die huidige metodes beter en nog meer effektief te gebruik. Die pad is egter nog lank.

Ambessa

[Mac]

Brits and Ambessa,

I concur wholeheartedly, thanks.

Graham

[Mac]

Ambessa / Brits,

Reading the web site of the Maryland trappers ass. I noticed the following quote which is the opposite of old Bollies statement that his stance is in line with ALL wildlife management org.'s

The WILDLIFE SOCIETY and the INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FISH AND WILDLIFE AGENCIES (IAFWA) are the largest international organizations representing professional wildlife conservation employees and governmental wildlife agencies. Both groups actively support and promote trapping and leghold (foothold) traps as invaluable management tools. Position statements by these organizations relative to trapping include the following excerpts:

The Wildlife Society
The policy of the Wildlife Society in regard to trapping is to: ?Support the use of regulated trapping for sustained harvest of some species of furbearers as an effective method for managing or studying furbearers, controlling damage caused by furbearers, and at times reducing the spread of harmful diseases, and for economic benefit, subsistence, and as a legitimate recreational activity? (2).

International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies
Resolution No.1 on Traps, Trapping And Furbearer Management states in part:
" WHEREAS, regulated trapping guided by responsible wildlife management principles is a safe, efficient, and necessary means of capturing individual animals without impairing the survival of furbearer populations or damaging the environment; and
" WHEREAS, lethal harvest or control techniques are not feasible or appropriate in all situations and
"WHEREAS, live restraining traps often offer advantages over other techniques in efficiency, safety to humans and domestic animals, release of non target animals and lack of adverse environmental effects? (3).

Interesting?

Graham

[Christo]

Graham

Die probleem in ins ou landjie is dat die kokedore so ietwat agter die tyd is met die res van die w?reld. Vat maar die resessie as voorbeeld, hulle begin nou eers aanvaar dat ons in 'n resessie is. Die res van die w?reld moet eers iets doen vir so 6 maande of langer voor ons kokedore dit navolg. Party is natuurlik nog stadiger en dan het hulle oor 'n selftrots wat hulle voorgehou het en nou ten alle koste moet verdedig om gesig te hou.

En ek sal nie vertel word dat hulle nog nie die uittreksels gelees het nie. Boolie en kie kan nie nou reverse nie want dan ry hulle van die soustrein af. Iemand moet hulle daar afstamp of ontspoor want self gaan hulle dit nie doen nie. Ek het al 'n paar natuur fanatikuste beleef en al gaan hy weet hy's verkeerd gaan hy steeds sy stellinge verdedig, dit is mos wat hom aan die gang hou.

Ek sal my tiekie inbetaal, maar net my mening die. 

Christo

[Mac]

Christo,

Jy is 100% reg, ek wonder net hoe so ou met homself kan leef, maar bygese, dit vat n' MAN om te se "Ek was verkeerd", en daar is nie veel van hulle in daardie groepie nie.

Graham

[Ambessa]

Hallo mac21

Those are the things that must be redressed in our official systems. Why try and reinvent the wheel?

However, it is easier said than done. Somehow we want to outdo (e.g. by creating more complex documents and less practical arrangements) other countries with much longer running (uninterupted!) official systems than SA.

Regards

Ambessa

[Mac]

Hi Brits,

I see you are online, saw your spread in the LBW, congrats, great idea.

How is your trapping onslaught going, I hope better than the last time I asked you. I am shooting in the Steynsburg area next month for 5 or 6 days, maybe we could arrange to meet somewhere, how far are you from there.

Cheers,

Graham

[britsman]

Hi Graham,
              Thanks for the compliment.
    I've managed to get some more cat wee and have moved the cages to more suitable (hopefully) spots.I have 2 traplines placed +-8 kms apart...... 6 cages in one and 4 in another. There are plenty R/cat spoors around so all they need to do is to step into a cage.
        Steynsburg is 40min away so yes we can get together.

    cheers,

              brits

[britsman]

Tomma / Graham /Ben,
                     Hoevel piss kry jy van 'n dooie R/kat en jakkie?
           dankie.
                       brits

  Mac check your PM

[Ambessa]

Hallo Britsman

...Hoevel piss kry jy van 'n dooie R/kat en jakkie?

...I would think enough for your purpose?  Remember it is not the quantity but the message that is send downwind.

Ambessa