22 F-Class

[Ammion]

Ek oorweeg / beplan om .22 F-Klas klub te begin hier in George / Mosselbaai omgewing. Die plan is nie om iets te doen wat groot kapitale uitleg verlang nie, maar eerder manne wat reeds .22LR het kry om te begin skiet (kan altyd later opgradeer). Dit gaan geskiet word op 50m, 100m & 200m en ten minste 2 "relays" op elke afstand sodat 2 persone toerusting kan deel (Pa en seun / man en vrou ens). Jy gaan na papier teikens skiet en jou telling op elke afstand word bymekaar getel vir groot totaal. Skiet 20 tel skote op elke afstand in 20 minute met geen beperking op "sighters" nie. Hier is 'n uiteensetting van die reels op hierdie stadium, maar dit kan verander soos ek insette kry:

Rules and Regulations
Shooting Position: Prone from a shooting mat
Caliber: .22LR only
Shooting Distance: 50m, 100m & 200m
Front Rest: Bipod, X-Bag, Sandbag
Back Rest: Sandbag, Monopod
Weight Limit: None
Scope Restriction: None
Time Limit: 20min at 50m, 20min at 100m & 20min at 200m

Allowed:
• Magazine
• Wind Flags
• Spotting Scope
• Silencer
• Barrel Tuner (Open Class)
• F-Class Bipod (Open Class)

Not Allowed:
• Mechanical Rest

50m – 20 Scoring Shots in 20min (unlimited sighters) 1 shot / target
• V – 7.5mm diameter
• 5 – 15mm diameter
• 4 – 22.5mm diameter
• 3 – 30mm diameter
• 2 – 37.5mm diameter
• 1 – 45mm x 45mm

100m – 20 Scoring Shots in 20min (unlimited sighters) 5 shots / target
• V – 15mm diameter
• 5 – 30mm diameter
• 4 – 45mm diameter
• 3 – 60mm diameter
• 2 – 75mm diameter
• 1 – 90mm x 90mm

200m – 20 Scoring Shots in 20min (unlimited sighters) 10 shots / target
• V – 30mm diameter
• 5 – 60mm diameter
• 4 – 90mm diameter
• 3 – 120mm diameter
• 2 – 150mm diameter
• 1 – 195mm x 270mm


Op hierdie stadium is die plan om 2 klasse te skiet: Standaard (net gewone Harris tipe bipod) en Ope (F-Klas bipod en barrel tuner word toegelaat). Sal enige opinies en insette waardeer.

[Bigfoot]

Hi Ammion

Excellent idea.

We are hoping to get the same going up here in Gauteng.

We could not get the scoring sorted out, were hoping to shoot on electronic targets, but that doesn't work.

Your intention is good.

Is 150m also not an option?

[Ranger]

Come back to Qtn Paul. Better yet let me move there and join you.

[Ammion]

Hi Ammion

Excellent idea.

We are hoping to get the same going up here in Gauteng.

We could not get the scoring sorted out, were hoping to shoot on electronic targets, but that doesn't work.

Your intention is good.

Is 150m also not an option?

Yes, 150m is definitely an option - but I don’t think shooting from more than 3 distances is a good idea (cost of ammo and time constraints when shooting 2 relays). Imo either 150 or 200m.

[Ammion]

Come back to Qtn Paul. Better yet let me move there and join you.

Clayton, think your second proposal is the better one ….

[Francoisv]

In ag genome dat 22lr groepe op 200m 4 na 6 duim toe raak is die tekein grootte op 200m perfek en dit sal dinge baie interessant hou.

[Ammion]

In ag genome dat 22lr groepe op 200m 4 na 6 duim toe raak is die tekein grootte op 200m perfek en dit sal dinge baie interessant hou.

Ek dink ook so, Francois.
Ek het vergeet om te noem dat die 200m teiken ook ‘n sighter teiken het. Die 200m teiken is op A3 papier met ‘n A4 sighter teiken wat langs hom opgesit word.

[swc-tr]

Julle weet seker die klein kaliber nasionale vereeniging (SATRA) bied reeds .22 Fklas aan met formele reëls? FYI.

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[Ammion]

Julle weet seker die klein kaliber nasionale vereeniging (SATRA) bied reeds .22 Fklas aan met formele reëls? FYI.

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Schalk, ek weet dit verseker - daar is egter wesenlike verskille teenoor wat ek hier voorstel.

[Bigfoot]

Julle weet seker die klein kaliber nasionale vereeniging (SATRA) bied reeds .22 Fklas aan met formele reëls? FYI.

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Hi Schalk,

I cant find any information SATRA and .22 F Class

help

[Ammion]

Julle weet seker die klein kaliber nasionale vereeniging (SATRA) bied reeds .22 Fklas aan met formele reëls? FYI.

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Hi Schalk,

I cant find any information SATRA and .22 F Class

help

[Ammion]

Julle weet seker die klein kaliber nasionale vereeniging (SATRA) bied reeds .22 Fklas aan met formele reëls? FYI.

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Hi Schalk,

I cant find any information SATRA and .22 F Class

help

Big difference is the distance - they only shoot 50m except at Nationals when 50m and 100m is shot.

[swc-tr]

Hi Schalk,

I cant find any information SATRA and .22 F Class

help[/quote]

Roger, now I know why you shoot with a scope.....


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[Bigfoot]

Well, reading these competition rules, no surprise the sport is where it is.

[Ammion]

Well, reading these competition rules, no surprise the sport is where it is.

Bigfoot, do you think what I'm proposing will generate more interest / be more popular?

[Capt. Yoda]

Well, reading these competition rules, no surprise the sport is where it is.

Bigfoot, do you think what I'm proposing will generate more interest / be more popular?

Paul, ek dink jou reels en wat jy voorstel is reg. Ek glo jy sal goeie belangstelling kry

[Ammion]

Well, reading these competition rules, no surprise the sport is where it is.

Bigfoot, do you think what I'm proposing will generate more interest / be more popular?

Paul, ek dink jou reels en wat jy voorstel is reg. Ek glo jy sal goeie belangstelling kry

Dankie Siebert, ek dink ook so.

[Bigfoot]

Well, reading these competition rules, no surprise the sport is where it is.

Bigfoot, do you think what I'm proposing will generate more interest / be more popular?

Paul, yes I do think your proposal is excellent, maybe some fine tuning as you go along. Very important to keep the std (hunter) class as standard as possible, the BRNO 2 E type sporter and the like must be separate from the bull barrel 457 and Anschutz competition (OPEN CLASS) rifles.

To keep to the F Class tradition I think both classes should use a bipod and rear bag.

[Ammion]

Well, reading these competition rules, no surprise the sport is where it is.

Bigfoot, do you think what I'm proposing will generate more interest / be more popular?

Paul, yes I do think your proposal is excellent, maybe some fine tuning as you go along. Very important to keep the std (hunter) class as standard as possible, the BRNO 2 E type sporter and the like must be separate from the bull barrel 457 and Anschutz competition (OPEN CLASS) rifles.

To keep to the F Class tradition I think both classes should use a bipod and rear bag.

Bigfoot, thank you for the feedback - Standard and Open classes will definitely both use bipod and rear bag.
I just need to properly differentiate the 2 classes:
- do you think a CZ 457 with Harris bipod should be in the same class as a Anschutz with a F-class bipod and barrel tuner?
- should a mechanical rest be allowed in the Open class?

[Arnold]

You have FTR and F-open, so have 3 classes perhaps if you want to go so far.

F-open -> use adjusted F-open equipment specs
FTR-open -> use adjusted FTR equipment specs
FTR-Sporter/hunter -> limit this more severely with folding bipods, a lower weight limit and perhaps even a muzzle diameter limit. Do you want to limit the use of bench rest type rear bags for this discipline?

Carefully think about the rules so they are general and easy to apply, across the board, while clearly differentiating between equipment used.

Your idea sounds great, good luck!

[Ammion]

Arnold ek stem saam met wat jy se, daarom wil ek die reels so eenvoudig as moontlik maak sodat jy dit nie hoef te polisieer nie. Daar moet geen gewig beperking en vergroting van teleskoop beperking op enige van die klasse wees nie.

Ek het ook al geleer uit ondervinding dat die vinnigste wanneer iemand belangstelling verloor is wanneer hy nie meer kompeterend is nie en dit 'n "equipment race" word.

Daarpm is dt dalk 'n goeie idee om 3 klasse te he soos jy voorstel:
- Sporter - Dun loop (sal net maksimum diameter moet bepaal by muzzle) met Harris / Atlas tipe bipod en agter sakkie (gewone silencer en magasyn word toegelaat)
- Standaard - Bull barrel met Harris / Atlas tipe bipod en agter sakkie (gewone silencer en magasyn word toegelaat)
- Ope - Bull barrel met F-Klas tipe bipod of Meganiese rus en agter sakkie (barrel tuner, tuner/brake kombinasie & tuner/silencer kombinasie word alles hier toegelaat asook magasyn)

[Francoisv]

Ek dink jy benader die ding reg met die klasse. Dit sal verseker skuts lok. Ek sien 'n trip George toe in die toekoms...

Die fklas wat die ouens op Atlantis geskiet het het doodgeloop. Miskien kan ons dit weer aan die gang kry met jou reels.

[Ammion]

Dit is waarmee ons begin.

[Henna308]

Weet iemand of daar in Gauteng al so iets is waar ons by kan aansluit?

[Lategan1]

Netjies gedoen Ammion.

Goeie uitleg en lees maklik. Mag dit suksesvol wees.

Beste.