Hulp met Lading - QL

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Hi almal,

Hoop iemand kan my so laat in die jaar help met QL asb. Chrony was op 5 meter.

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Loop lente: 25.7 duim
Koeel: 178gr Hornady ELDM
Dop: Lapua
Dop H2O gemiddeld: 70.2
TPL: 81.5mm
Lading: 48gr VV N550
Primer CCI 250
Spoed: 2551, 2545, 2553
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Kêrels, dit is vir my 30-06
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Naand Johan.

Jou begin lading is baie laag. Gooi 49 grein vir 2600 vps op die chronograaf. Druk is selfs dan onder 45 000 Psi.

Ek sou liewer dadelik opgaan na 51.2 grein vir 2705 vps op die chronograaf. Druk is 50 000 Psi en doppe behoort mooi te seël. Ek vermoed ons gaan met 0.2 grein moet afkom om die 2705 te slaan omrede beter dopuitsetting beteken dat die gasse die koeël aandryf en nie net die doppe se nekke swart maak nie :)
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Baie dankie Gawie. Ek sal hom probeer en terugvoer gee.
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Hello julle ek kom met my resultate.

Het gelaai 51.2 en spoed was:

1. 2700
2. 2698
3. 2701

Groep was nie baie goed nie, ek sal weer moet gaan skiet, wou eers op my lading / node kom.

Moet ek my lading nou so los of veranderinge maak?

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Dagsê
Ek is nog te bang om my rekenaar aan te skakel, maar dit lyk my jy is vir alle praktiese redes op 'n node.

Ek sou die Tpl verminder met inkremente van 0.2 mm op 'n slag tot 80.5 mm en drie skote van elk skiet.
Indien die groepering nie na wense is nie, kan ons begin kyk na eksterne faktore.
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Johan, jy kan my direk kontak by o83 vier 5o o718.
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Apologies for the interruption Joe and Gawie.
You are close to a node.
Joe with your current data your accurate node is predicted to be 51.5 grains for 2726 - 13 fps on the chrony at 5 meters from the muzzle.
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I have to ask why you have such a short TPL
The ELD bullets have a very gradual taper to the ogive and I'm sure you could make your TPL a lot longer than 81.2mm and still have enough of the shank in the neck for good neck tension.

What is your current jump to the lands ?
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Gawie(13mm) wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:47 pm Johan, jy kan my direk kontak by o83 vier 5o o718.
Dankie Gawie, ek sal met jou praat.
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Dale SH wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:18 pm Apologies for the interruption Joe and Gawie.
You are close to a node.
Joe with your current data your accurate node is predicted to be 51.5 grains for 2726 - 13 fps on the chrony at 5 meters from the muzzle.
50650 psi


I have to ask why you have such a short TPL
The ELD bullets have a very gradual taper to the ogive and I'm sure you could make your TPL a lot longer than 81.2mm and still have enough of the shank in the neck for good neck tension.

What is your current jump to the lands ?
Hi Dale,

Thanks. I was going to increase my next loads to see what it does.

About the COL, I thought the exact same thing. I'm using the rod method to measure. I'm about 5mm from the lands. I will have to confirm this afternoon.
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Volgens die inligting wat ek het, kan die TPL na 85mm verleng word en is daar dan nog genoeg van die skag teen die nek om behoorlike belyning en nekspanning te verseker.
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Hoe sal hierdie veranderinge my druk en lading affekteer. Ek sal eers kyk of hy wel nog langer kan gaan.
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Ek het die 48gr lading gebruik en die verlenging van TPL na 85mm kan so 50vps spoedvermindering tot gevolg hê.
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tripodmvr wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 am Ek het die 48gr lading gebruik en die verlenging van TPL na 85mm kan so 50vps spoedvermindering tot gevolg hê.
Oom met 83mm is ek in die lande in met Stok metode.

Ek het 85mm dummy gelaai, slot het maklik toe gegaan maar dop het krappe op gekry. Het dieselfde met 84 gemaak. Met 82.5mm was hy perfek.
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Hello julle, kon die naweek geskiet kry. Ek merk toe vandag op terwyl ek na die doppe kyk, dit lyk of my slag doppies na buite vergroot.

Spoed wat ek kon meet was so 2690 as gemiddeld.

Is dit normaal?

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Hi, lyk vir my soos stretched primer pocket is dit net een of het al jou primers so bietjie uit ge kom hoe styf voel hulle as jy deprime

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Johann, hoeveel keer is daai doppe gevuur?
Teen 50 300 psi druk sal ek my kop op 'n blok sit om te sê dat dit nie gerekte slagdopgate is nie.
Die doppe is heel moontlik nie korrek gevorm in die kamer nie, agv van te lae druk. Die slagpen druk die dop voorentoe en met verbranding sit die dop uit en druk teen die kamer se wande vas. Die slagdop word dan uitgedruk en word dan verkeerdelik as te hoë druk ge-eien.
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Manne dit is so 5 van hulle uit die 15. Die doppe is seker 3 keer gevuur.

Van hulle het baie maklik geprime.

Ek moet nog deprime en sal dan spesifiek oplet met die wat effens uit is.
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Dale SH wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:18 pm Apologies for the interruption Joe and Gawie.
You are close to a node.
Joe with your current data your accurate node is predicted to be 51.5 grains for 2726 - 13 fps on the chrony at 5 meters from the muzzle.
50650 psi


I have to ask why you have such a short TPL
The ELD bullets have a very gradual taper to the ogive and I'm sure you could make your TPL a lot longer than 81.2mm and still have enough of the shank in the neck for good neck tension.

What is your current jump to the lands ?
Hi Dale and everyone else, coming back to this and I need some help again with this node.

I managed to get a Hornady OAL gauge and my correct max OAL is 85.70 /3.382

The 51.4gr load got me close or on your predicted node. But groups could be better.

My question now is, should I start with a COL of 3.362" and still use the same charge?
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Lyk my 0.020" vanaf lande werk nie lekker vir my nie.
Op die onderste 2 fotos het ek my TPL met 0.020" verander.

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Met die landing is ek 0.200" van die lands af. Wat sal die vertikale groepe veroorsaak?
Spoed was 2671, 2678, 2696, 2675, 2681

Bly ek op die lading of karing ek met TPL? Want nader aan lande lyk nie werk in my geweer nie.
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Johann, kontak my more oggend na 7 am @ 0agt3 450 071agt, dan gesels ons vinnig.
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Hello almal, help n ou uit asb.

Ek kry nie meer 178gr ELD-M nie. Wat sal my lading hier maak as ek hulle vervang met 178gr ELD-X?
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